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Republicans are attacking way to suppress the substance. and that should be very clear. who have access to everything that's happening here. so, you know, there is no universe in which republicans are being shut out here or if you consider them to represent 50% of americans this is happening behind closed doors and it's happening in a way that we understand this information is secure and sensitive, but republicans are very much being included in the process. so any process argument is just a way to get at substance. >> let's talk about the process because i think the house impeachment process,...

Pretty remarkable opinion, not for its ultimate conclusion, but the way in which the judge got to her conclusion and what she said in the course of that. first of all, as you were discussing with the congressman, she really just knocked down this talking point, basically, this process argument that the republicans have been making, and she don't that in a political way. she said, look at the constitution, look at the rules of the house. there is no requirement that certain votes be taken or this be conducted in a certain way, and this is really the executive branch trying to step all over cong...

Information, the grand jury information. the fact is that these very same people, mike pompeo when he was on the benghazi committee, were refusing to let state department lawyers and that whole process argument is exactly the process that they were performing. and in those two previous impeachment exercises, the one leading up to the watergate also, the clinton impeachment, there were special prosecutors or independent counsels. so they are doing the work of an independent counsel. it is more analogous to a grand jury probe. i think they have absolute right to be having these witnesses in priv...

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Testimonies in public, emily? >> conceivably. as jonathan alluded, to the house republicans and the senate republicans have tried very much to focus on process over substance. but we know now with the latest judicial hearing by the judge, that even the process argument is being undermined. a lot of criticism about how nancy pelosi didn't formally call for a launching of the impeachment inquiry. that was sort of undermined in this latest judicial ruling. so not much left for the republicans to cling on to, as they try to defend the president. >> so one thing is what jonathan, you wrote about, t...