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>> yeah, i think when these transcripts are released it's going to be a worst picture for the president. all of the witnesses who have come forward have essentially corroborated the same story, that there was an effort by the president to ask the ukrainians to interfere in the 2020 election, that he withheld american military aid and a white house visit until that happened and that the white house staff, including lawyers of the white house staff sought to cover that up. so the defenders of the president only have three places to go without these process arguments available to them. number one...

Republicans enough. but it will to a certain degree, i think, put the process arguments on the back burner and move the substance argument. what did the president do and was that okay or not to the front burner. >> bill: ultimately this gentleman will be significant. jerry nadler the democrat from new york, chair of the judiciary committee. just drop in on his message for the moment. >> i support this resolution not because i want the allegations to be true, they saden me deeply, but because if we're true the constitution demands we take action. i support the resolution because it lays the gro...

Political opponents. and, you know, the president admitted that on camera. he released a telephone transcript, a report of that that confirms it. and there's of course the whistle-blower report that details the scheme in its entirety. but we have subsequently heard from a number of witnesses now who have corroborated the essential parts of this scheme. so the whistle-blower's identity is really irrelevant. it was to point to the misconduct of the president. the president's admitted it. the transcript of the phone call corroborates it, and we've heard of a number of witnesses filling in the pie...

Betraying the national security interests of the united states and undermining the rule of law, and instead they're talking about these process arguments just because they're desperate not to focus on the facts because they have no argument. it's so shocking. >> what can you tell us about the process argument that erupted in the deposition today, congressman swalwell apparently in a clash with republican mark meadows that apparently forced chairman schiff to adjust the way the proceeding was going on. >> all i can tell you is i can't discuss the questions that were asked or the answers that we...

Opened -- listen, i think that pelosi has handled this masterfully. she held off this vote. the vote isn't hard for democrats. the vulnerable democrats. they've already said they're for opening an impeachment. the ads are going to run against them. i'm sure they probably already started. but she allowed the republicans to walk out and make all of these process arguments that she's now said i'm giving you a vote to give you exactly what you asked for and you'll vote against it. so i think it's much more about getting to a place where republicans will say, yeah, he did it. nothing wrong with it....