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To people that could jump off the train. the question is does it get to 15, 16, 17 and do you lose people who are maybe less vulnerab vulnerable electorally. >> thank you so much. we'll be reading the new piece "the new york times" magazine. kimberly atkins, before gro, wht are you reporting on today? >> we are looking closely at the testimony that continues to come in on capitol hill and the lead-up to the vote that will be taken on thursday when it is expected that the house will formalize the impeachment proceedings. as you you've been discussing that takes away some of the key process argu...

Behind closed doors and we'll see that play out in the public. >> and to your point, the polling on whether he should impeach settling around 50% around his approval rating but when you ask is it appropriate or a president to ask this kind of help from a foreign government and to leverage and 0e6r 60% consistently say it is wrong. so if the debate moves to the substance rather than that is not good terrain for the president or for the republicans because a clear and consistent majority of americans say what he did, what he is believed to have done is wrong. >> mayor. >> it also doesn't accept ...

That the president was trying to trade access to the white house and american security aid for election interference. and so i think this is a critical moment as the facts are becoming pretty impossible for republicans to refute. for speaker pelosi to take these process arguments off the table, which she will do with this vote on thursday. and then republicans will be left to decide whether they actually want to continue to defend this president's actions. >> let me ask you about the mcconnell/graham resolution that could potentially come to the floor this week. basically, calling the democrat...

Which is what is happening now, are absolutely routine in congressional investigations. i have played a role in them myself. so this is normal. it helps congress put together a factual record with the cameras out of the room before the politics take over. and that's what they are trying to do here. i think republicans do have some legitimate process arguments. i think the speaker should have put a resolution on the floor to begin this process. she didn't need to lawfully, and it's a question of politics and legitimacy. but i think she should've done that. there's a couple of other arguments th...

Redacted information, and what do you think you'll see as a result? >> well, a couple things. i think, as you know, the argument was that ultimately, the house was fully engaged and is engaged in an impeachment inquiry, and therefore, under rule 6e, had every right to access these important materials as the committee and the committees, rather, now, make a decision as to how to proceed. i would just say, i think you got the historical context right at the beginning of the program, but it's important for this victory not to be seen through a partisan lens. ultimately, in my view, it's not a win...