behind closed doors and we'll see that play out in the public. >> and to your point, the polling on whether he should impeach settling around 50% around his approval rating but when you ask is it appropriate or a president to ask this kind of help from a foreign government and to leverage and 0e6r 60% consistently say it is wrong. so if the debate moves to the substance rather than that is not good terrain for the president or for the republicans because a clear and consistent majority of americans say what he did, what he is believed to have done is wrong. >> mayor. >> it also doesn't accept that the process arguments are starting to fail and collapse as transparency happens because that would buy president trump more time to head this in towards election season or what we think of as election season in early 2020 and then they could have pushed the argument of let's bring this to a vote to the american public. if you move to impeachment trial it becomes more difficult to say this is something that can't be resolved. >> stick around. we'll keep talking about this.