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Investigating you. and donald trump will not do anything for you. i didn't even think of a pardon. what i meant was donald trump was not even going to have him to the white house. donald trump is going to completely disassociate himself with roger. and for trump not to pardon roger roger in light of what donald has said about this investigation, it's hypocritical. perhaps roger needs to find a way to contact kim kardashian and kanye west. >> first of all, let's go back on something that sam said. were these process crimes? >> there's no such thing as a process crime. all due respect to sam. yo...

An extremely rocky start when roger stone violated his first instances of a gag order and psted what many perceived to be a pretty threatening photo of this judge. that continues to put stone in this really difficult position. anderson, you have watched him work over the years. this is someone who sort of relishes a political fight, relishes coming to his own defense, and that is not what we saw during this trial. i think he and his attorneys made the calculation that he would probably do more harm than good by taking the stand in his own defense. instead they played audio of him testifying be...

Power, power to impanel a grand jury, potentially file criminal charges. there has been talk about interviewing john brennan and clapper as well. where do you think this is going? >> it is a significant change in the two possibilities he outlined are very plausible. i view it is more likely along the lines of a process crime, if one was committed someone misled relied in their information whether it was fisa court or officials in the fbi but let's remember something about john durum, not the first time he has targeted and not brought charges. he did the same in 2009 when he conducted his revie...

The russia probe and it something of a fizzle, this criminal propyl end in maybe not official but to the disappointment of both republicans who desperately want there to be a huge bombshell to it and democrats who think this is some profound violation of constitutional norms. it -- this could very well be a fairly small criminal act in the sense of a process crime, someone lined under oath, that kind of thing. the kind of thing people have done before. >> bret: we don't know what we don't know. we have had reporting and sourcing that says it's pretty detailed, whatever it is, it's going to be ...

There has been talk in an interview with john as well, where do you think this could dough mike is going? >> either the change is very plausible. if i view this is going along the lines of process crime. if one was committed that one either lied or misled in the information provided it was the court or officials of the chain and the fbi. let's all remember something with john jerome, this not the first time that he take an administrator view and turning it into a criminal one and ultimately not brought charges. if he did the same thing in 2009, when he conducted his review of the cia interroga...