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President who are consistently defending donald trump, is there a larger danger here in dismissing essentially a legal process that has not played itself out? >> well, first of all, he's innocent till proven guilty. absolutely. but the charges are so serious. so to say that a process crime, that obstructing justice is not a serious crime, that trying to destroy evidence wanted by a federal grand jury is not a serious crime, you can say this person is innocent until proven guilty. however, the charges are very serious and the facts if they are true are very serious. so to just sort of pooh-pooh...

Significant new information. given this new information, do you still -- would you still pardon him if you were president? >> the standard i use as our next president is what moves our country forward? what is the right thing for the united states of america? >> right, and would having a president like this move it forward? >> -- is to move on and i would pardon him. i intend to be our next president, and yes, i do believe i will move us forward, and i believe one of the right ways to do that is pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a polit politicized persecuti...

On CNN, the GOP candidate said Trump's alleged efforts to delete a Mar-a-Lago security tape don't warrant a conviction

>> i would pardon him. i intend to be our next president and, yes, i do believe i will move us forward. i think one of the right ways to do that is to pardon the former president of the united states from what is clearly a politicized prosecution. i'll share a view with you, is kasie. our general norm is you should not prosecutor somebody of a process crime without evidence of -- >> you think destroying evidence is a process crime? >> it is a process crime. any legal scholar will agree that is definitely a process crime. it would not have existed but for the existence of an investigation. if w...

One of the 2024 presidential candidates visitic ramaswamy saying well this is a process crime. i don't think that we should be throwing the book at a former president over a process crime. but as joseph points out, it goes to the heart of the primary crime here which is he knew that the documents that he had in his possession, he was not permitted to have them. >> we need to purge process crime from our vocabulary. it came in before in the context of his impeachment and it is coming up again now. obstruction of justice is a crime and this is the supreme court i believe said this, goes to the h...