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Sail lad, but this business about he's watching, he knows you're loyal and you will do the right thing. that's a little more discreet, that's mob style. >> it is mob style. it's done in a subtle way, so you have plausible deniability that, oh no, that wasn't the, threat we are just supporting you, or we are just reminding you that we're all here together to encourage you. but this is also a gift, ali, like you just said about rudy giuliani. because when someone tempers with witnesses, it is itself a very serious crime. it's a crime punishable by up to 20 years in prison and i know sometimes pe...

Unbreakable lions between trump and fox news, are there cracks? >> the evidence pretty clearly shows his unfit-ness and even suggest that he may be guilty of a crime. a book in defense of donald trump, one of fox news's media experts, he is not the only fox news media personality questioning things after cassidy hutchinson's testimony. that is next. that is next and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that...

Top fox news host like brett bear makes a declaration like this on the network that for u.s. champion donald trump at every turn. sticking by her side, even in his darkest moments, which is why that moment was noteworthy. now do not get me wrong, not all of fox news is ready to move on from trump, but this week's testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson including damning allegations that trump knew some of his supporters were armed on january six but still encourage them to march on the capitol anyways, that seems to have kick started a wave of conservative news outlets turnin...

Committee vice chair liz cheney showed this message. >> this is a call received by one of our witnesses, quote, a person let me know you have your deposition tomorrow, he wants me to let you know he is thinking about you. he knows you are loyal, and you are going to do the right thing when you go in for your deposition. >> cheney did not say who had made or received that call, but nbc news has now confirmed that it was made to hutchinson. a source familiar with hutchinson's the position says the person referenced at the beginning of that message was her former boss mark meadows. trump's ex chi...

During the mueller probe. so, barb, give us an idea how high up the chain could criminal exposure go here? could someone like trump, or even mark meadows be at risk? >> absolutely. if this order came from high, whoever gave it could be charged with a crime of soliciting a crime. so that is your way of working up the stray chain is always your strategy here, figuring out how high this goes. witness tampering in and of itself is a serious crime, it is a 20-year felony and a serious crime because it -- people like rudy giuliani dismissed it as a, quote, mayor process crime. but this is the very e...