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Information. baker's recollection is that susman did not represent he was coming there on behalf of any client. problem for susman, his being entries have clinton foundation or general political advice. so that's a problem for him because he's now been charged with lying to the fbi. that's a crime. you can go to jail for that. people have gone to jail for that. big picture, though, this falls short of the promise of the investigation. all along we has been told that this was going to be some massive, explosive, deep state conspiracy. that is not this. it is still an indictment. it is still ser...

It's not illegal to lobby on behalf of a foreign entity. think about companies like toyota, samsung, they have a presence in the united states. acting as an agent on behalf of a foreign government, that's a big problem if you don't disclose that to the justice department. you can think of obvious reasons why that's the case. when people are acting at the behest of foreign leaders, you start bumping up against the question of espionage. what might be dismissed by some as a, quote, unquote, process crime for failing to notify the government of these contacts is a quite serious offense. then he c...

Prosecutors criminally charged a company. lorena hemsley's ghost. she was convicted. folks do get prosecuted for this in new york and elsewhere, right? >> both state and federal systems. this is a strategy we've seen trump use before, this notion of not an important crime, people don't get prosecuted for this is like an instant replay of what happened in the mueller investigation when trump dismissed obstruction of justice as a process crime, not something that people should worry about. here he is again appealing to the court of public opinion, thinking that somehow that will help him with fe...

Successfully. he diminished obstruction of justice during the mueller investigation as just a process crime. he got away with it there. now he is trying it with what is more than fringe benefits fraud, this is a 15 year conspiracy loss over $1.7 million in untaxed income going to allen weisselberg. so this is not some sort of garden-variety minimus activity that could be just excuse. this is the sort of context that when people are confronted with it and they don't resolve the situation there is going to be a prosecution. but we should look for more of this from the president who made it sound...

Consequences. he never was really held accountable. that is in large part because he spent the last four years shielded by the presidency. now that the protection has slipped away, he becomes increasingly vulnerable. there is this case, proceedings down in georgia perhaps, involving the call he made soliciting election fraud in georgia. it is a real issue whether there will be that one big moment or not. the thought that i will leave you with in that regard, is we saw something last week from trump's lawyers that we have seen before. during the mueller report, we saw this effort to say, obstru...