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But it is true that mueller has not yet charged anybody in trump's orbit with conspiring with the russians. and, you know, we're going to have to wait and see. you know, i think everybody believes, most people believe we are at the end game here and mueller is either going to have yet one more indictment to bring or it's simply a report. you know, we have to wait and see what his full evidence is. but, you know, these crimes, lying to federal investigators, lying to congress they are felonies. people can go to prison for them. >> and we're seeing people actually go to prison for them. >> and i...

Lot from conservative media, process crimes. these are just process crimes. after almost two years it certainly would be process crimes or process, you know, questions. the answer is different than what you thought it might be, and some people say they lost their memory or lack of memory, which a lot of people can understand that, too. are we just talking about process crimes here? >> well, in some cases if one considers lying to the fbi and lying to congress a process crime, i suppose it fits. there are core crimes that mueller has indicted against the rugs who hacked the dnc, against the tro...

Not yet charged anybody in trump's orbit with conspiring with the russians. and, you know, we're going to have to wait and see. you know, i think everybody believes, most people believe we are at the end game here and mueller is either going to have yet one more indictment to bring or it's simply a report. you know, we have to wait and see what his full evidence is. but, you know, these crimes, lying to federal investigators, lying to congress they are felonies. people can go to prison for them. >> and we're seeing people actually go to prison for them. >> and if i could just say a word in fav...

Process crimes. these are just process crimes. after almost two years it certainly would be process crimes or process, you know, questions. the answer is different than what you thought it might be, and some people say they lost their memory or lack of memory, which a lot of people can understand that, too. are we just talking about process crimes here? >> well, in some cases if one considers lying to the fbi and lying to congress a process crime, i suppose it fits. there are core crimes that mueller has indicted against the rugs who hacked the dnc, against the troll farm that manipulated amer...

Weren't saying these are process crimes. they were saying this is threat to the rule of law. and i believe that. because you cannot have a president and his closest associates obstructing justice. you cannot have them lying to the fbi or congress. this goes at the very heart of our democracy. our legal system would not function if people thought they could get away with perjury and obstruction. so this is not something that's minor or trivial. this is actually a high crime and misdemeanor if it's committed by the president of the united states. >> you mention this just a moment ago, michael. l...