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The other about is a violation of law itself? we should be the core of the mandate. so we are talking about ancillary crimes, which doesn't mean they are any less important. but they are ancillary to the core mandate that robert mueller was appointed to investigate. i think what people should be more concerned about is an endless investigation that doesn't ultimately get us to the objective. in other words, process crimes are just a means toward an end. the core of the mandate is, was their illegal activity in connection with the term campaign relative could tell mike to collusion and coordina...

This is for people who dealt with stone during the 2016 campaign? >> well, people have to have some concern but the real question is, i think, is the president. and i don't think the president has to have any concern from this case because i agree with rudy giuliani and jay sekelo. the indictment does not charge collusion, does not charge conspiracy and every alleged act in it took place a after bob mueller was appointed. they're what's called process crimes. they have nothing to do with collusion, with the russians or the underlying substantive offense. once again, i'm sorry for repeating but...

Actually threatened that same witness calling him a rat saying he would take away his therapy dog, also a reference, and even saying prepare to die. what's your take-away from that, josh? >> well, so obviously, we know that roger stone is a very colorful person. and it is important as a former investigator, when you're looking at individual subjects, what you have to do is call norming them out. what is a person's normal behavior and how does that square with some new revelation. so if this was any one of us that would have been using this language, it would have given me pause. not so much wi...

In that they felt that talks with stone were breaking down. and they were concerned about a potential flight risk, as well as destruction of evidence. look, we have a rule of thumb in the fbi, if we're arresting one person, we bring ten. if we're arresting 10, we bring 100. when people weigh in and say it was not appropriate or theatrics, i can promise you, the fbi has never been concerned with optics. and when you're looking to arrest somebody or bring them into custody, it's a serious issue. you've got to be concerned about fight or flight. and people don't understand, it's often not the maf...

The radio commentator, and his communications with him saying hold fast, stonewall, it's right there, so the fact that the indictment is factually accurate, i see another conviction. >> and we wonder what else they have. we know that fbi officials are searching his new york duplex right now. you know, james, in terms of michael cohen, they raided his hotel room, his home, his office. do you expect that the intensity is going to be there in terms of the search for roger stone as well? and what specifically are they looking for? >> sure. and christi, i think that, you know, there's a lot of dist...