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At my -- at my chest. i opened the door looking down the barrel of two assault weapons. i'm wearing a roger stone did nothing wrong t-shirt and a pair of gym shorts. i'm bare footed. they handcuff me and walk me out the street. i'm concerned because my wife is hearing impaired. she's virtually death without her hearing aids. i was afraid they'd think she wasn't complying with an order and shoot her. i've been under investigation for two years. why would i wait until thursday -- by the way, i destroyed no evidence whatsoever and i'm charged with non-violent process crimes. >> sean: that's the p...

Investigation of the weights being handled? all of these are process crimes, not that they are not serious. >> katie: they are process crimes. the interesting thing to be is the way people have been indicted for lying to congress. what that means is that congressional investigators, lawmakers, referred them to the special counsel -- or at least help them, and said "this is the testimony we have. it's not consistent maybe with robert mueller was stating." you will make this mistake all the time, that going and testifying in front of congress would have consequences if you don't tell the truth. ...

Campaign associates. if you so, guy, when you look at what they say about process crimes -- they come out of investigation and might never have been on the surface if it has not been for that investigation. what he say about that? >> guy: first of all, i get a kick out of stone saying, "i think this is about silencing me." if mueller is trying to silence robert stone, he is feeling miserable impurities on tv 24/7, it seems like. when you look at the litany of excuses from roger stone about his lying -- and we could talk about whether it's a process crime or proof somehow, or an indication of u...

They should be prosecuted. but mr. dershowitz is correct. up to this point, largely what we have seen our process crimes. >> harris: what you say so important, because this is the person -- because everything is seen through this political prism -- the democrats and republicans have said they feel can get this done, robert mueller. in fact, william barr, the president's choice for attorney general, had a long-standing professional relationship with robert mueller as well. and he expressed at his confirmation hearing that he believed he could get this done. >> that's right. speed went to the tr...

Fairness, that there was nothing of the end of this. >> harris: can we talk about how some of these witnesses and some of them have been found guilty know of these process crimes, never have another with a malay charge indictment -- hes roger stone. and how some of this is kind of carried out in terms of process ground and taking the men. >> if they can supply, lawyers and i would have turned myself in. it was an expensive show of force to try and depict me as public enemy number one. the og, in an attempt to poison the jury pool. these are gestapo tactics. >> harris: robert ray? >> that's a c...