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The bbc traditionally has been very defensive, and understandably so, about the licence fee and independence from government is absolutely crucial to its future. but if it becomes so wedded to the licence fee that it isn't prepared to engage in conversations about alternative funding measures, then there's a danger that it becomes a binary argument and it could get seriously walloped as and when the licence fee is ultimately replaced. and i think what's happening now is potentially a shift, where these organisations need to start grappling with a more progressive method of payment, one that is...

And independence from government is absolutely crucial to its future. but if it becomes so wedded to the licence fee that it isn't prepared to engage in conversations about alternative funding measures, then there's a danger that it becomes a binary argument and it could get seriously walloped as and when the licence fee is ultimately replaced. and i think what's happening now is potentially a shift, where these organisations need to start grappling with a more progressive method of payment, one that isn't going to necessarily leave them seriously short changed, but one which keeps them at arm...

Is ultimately replaced. and i think what's happening now is potentially a shift, where these organisations need to start grappling with a more progressive method of payment, one that isn't going to necessarily leave them seriously short changed, but one which keeps them at arm's length from government. because the moment you get a close relationship between government and national broadcaster, that could start to feel like a very uneasy relationship pretty quickly. i'm afraid that's all we've got time for today. thank you to all my guests — to chris curtis, editor in chief of broadcast, elvi...

And understandably so, about the licence fee and independence from government is absolutely crucial to its future. but if it becomes so wedded to the licence fee that it isn't prepared to engage in conversations about alternative funding measures, then there's a danger that it becomes a binary argument and it could get seriously walloped as and when the licence fee is ultimately replaced. and i think what's happening now is potentially a shift, where these organisations need to start grappling with a more progressive method of payment, one that isn't going to necessarily leave them seriously s...