Understands how to sell himself, how to sell preachy, whiney, progressive values and he was -- >> bill: he was talking about esg and called it b.s. >> he said that in private. >> bill: he said it publicly yesterday. said it is a bunch of b.s. >> he was saying a lot of stuff we do, we posture is b.s. but he used all that b.s. to his advantage for years. he used the campaign contributions, and if you look down the list of how many smart people he went. black rock and the robin hood conference. they raise money for charity and he was on the stage with larry fink. how f is the stock market.