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Election. joey: yeah. will: you'd say why would they do the that because it so clearly could interfere in a presidential election. but this isn't normal because it's don frump, is so you don't -- donald trump, so you don't give them the benefit of the doubt that it's a lack of wisdom. it's done with purpose. it is the designed to limit his speech, so it is designed to -- by the prosecution side, by jack smith's side -- to limit a presidential or to affect a presidential election. joey: yeah. will: the judge will have to look piece by piece. the illustration the everybody's using is mike pence....

Said we want august 28. he won the day because the manager has to defer to the schedule of the defense attorney, who has other clients in other cases. but that was an example and then they immediately started arguing about, prosecutor said, look our attention here is to seek a speedy trial. and john morales stood up and said wait a second, we need to understand what the scope of the discovery, is that there's a lot of reason for a delay. you can already see, it that's gonna be the huge issue in this trial. it is trump trying to delay it. but a lot of legal experts i've talked to think this is ...

Opinion has a strong case. >> in terms of a defense then, how can they push back on this? we were talking earlier to thomas gift saying that it is actually very difficult to prove intent, effectively the mindset of donald trump going into the events. >> normally it is very difficult to prove intent on the prosecution side, but in that indictment there is a statement that the prosecution is using against donald trump where he says i guess we'll just leave it for the other guys to handle. right now he is acknowledging that he did not win the election. and so that right there is a key piece of ev...

Declassification, the espionage act, they— declassification, the espionage act, they have been very good at catering to the trump base from — at catering to the trump base from a — at catering to the trump base from a public relations standpoint, but they did not have — standpoint, but they did not have a — standpoint, but they did not have a lot of experience in handling _ have a lot of experience in handling these types of cases. there — handling these types of cases. there is— handling these types of cases. there is not that many lawyers frankly— there is not that many lawye...

As legal exposure. >> and what's your take on the relationship with the white house? i mean, obviously this is a unique circumstance, but it's a fine line for president biden and his advisers to walk, right? >> it is. i mean, you know, he's doing the right thing so far, i think, by completely staying out of the prosecution side of things telling merrick garland to proceed however he thinks should be done without any influence at all from the white house. that's what he should do legally and ethically. so far it appears that he is doing that so everything looks good from that side. they just ha...