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religious reasons? and everybody laughed. i just kind of -- >> so you had that moment in 1994, which is just about when apec and other groups started making serious out reach to american evangelicals, as if somebody had told them something is going on there. >> interesting. >> dangerous coalition. >> chris matthews, george will, thank you both for being on here this morning. "hardball," 7:00 eastern time interi like the octave. >> and i gave heidi a new name. pryzbyla. >> every night at 7:00, mika goes, be quiet, be quiet. see what chris has to say. >> he watches. >> i have to -- >> chickens in connecticut? >> i have to watch because if i don't, she'll say you should have seen what chris said. >> you have to watch. you love it. >> can i say something about chris' book? it's like a palate cleanser for