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Oversee special counsel robert mueller's investigation into russia's meddling thrusting her into a political spotlight that brand told friends she did not want to enter. the aforementioned julia ainsley is with us tonight. we also welcome back chris mcgarren. julia, just to fill in some blanks for our viewers. she is leaving for a job as executive vice president of wal-mart. rachel brand was raised in michigan and iowa. she is a product of harvard law school. she clerked at the supreme court for justice kennedy. she is described as serious, all business. even the attorney general called her a ...

Determined that the department has a good idea that involves people, technology and infrastructure. fair to say in the comments and date why from the department it would just be disingenuous to say anybody is proposing a large wall? >> yes. >> bill: let's talk about the pool factor. if you learn nothing else from the amnesty of 1986 you learn if you don't address the pull factor all you've done with amnesty is invite a lot more people in waiting for the next amnesty. what has been your experience since we started talking about daca in terms of border crossings in the past few months? >> in gen...

Seems the president came here, has listened to be people at the border and has determine thad the department has a good idea that involves people, technology and infrastructure. so it'd be fair to say in the face of the direct comments and the data now from the department, it would just be disingenuous to suggest that anybody is proposing a large, monolific wall? >> yes, sir, it'd be disingenuo disingenuous. >> if you learn nothing else from the amnesty of 1986, you learned if you don't address the pull factor, all you've done is inviting more people in, waiting for the amnesty. what's been yo...

Pace of immigration? >> we have two, we have the pull factors and the push factors, to the reality is that we have many of these children and families who many of them coming by themselveses are escaping some of the most dangerous countries in the world. these are children who are literally escaping, making the decision between either being killed or being raped and taking a risk to cross the border, probably risking their own lives. but for these children, they're not thinking about the american policy, of the administration, they're just thinking about 3w5ir9 lives, they're thinking about to...

Dying usually begins. and it takes eight to ten hours after they set off for libya what people start dying. >> whether we think of migration, we think in terms of push and pull factors. what are the push factors as to why people leave and why are they pulled to certain places? can you unpack some of the push factors from syria from libya, from east africa, from bangladesh? what are they? >> it's war and poverty. and repressive regime. so in different parts of the world, it's certainly syria and iraq, it's largely people fleeing the wars. in syria, you have a lot of men coming out now who as th...