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Or task force, once something reaches the threshold -- >> the women go off aboard go off to isis. they don't sound like they had plans to go overseas. they wanted to do attacks here. they were looking at the funerals of two police officer last year zeroing in on undercover officers as well. what gives here? why not go overseas for isis? >> sometimes it's just as simple as the individual just doesn't have the capability to get overseas. although data is still really thin because this is a relatively new phenomenon in the era we're in. the data we have we see push and pull factors. the biggest f...

With the crisis with no policy reform. i think that contributes to people having less confidence in their government. >> i would say that obama has put more resources, more money, more people on that border than any other president. >> to no effect? is the incompetence so great -- >> drug traffickers. >> you have to do more then. that wasn't sufficient. if somebody is bleeding on the operating table, get in, all hands in to stop the bleeding. you don't say i tried now but it is still really bad. that's what you're saying, do more. >> what's going on is reflecting greater ideology. you can't ju...

With the crisis with no policy reform. i think that contributes to people having less confidence in their government. >> i would say that obama has put more resources, more money, more people on that border than any other president. >> to no effect? is the incompetence so great -- >> drug traffickers. >> you have to do more then. that wasn't sufficient. if somebody is bleeding on the operating table, get in, all hands in to stop the bleeding. you don't say i tried now but it is still really bad. that's what you're saying, do more. >> what's going on is reflecting greater ideology. you can't ju...

Would that have worked for him or would he have come off as callous and alienated many in his party. >> this wouldn't be the magic bullet that would solve this issue. because this is a complex issue. sh is a matter of pull factors there and push factors here in the united states. the president has a bully pulpit. he's got a platform. this crisis needs to be addressed. he should have used every opportunity he has to address it and so show that he's in control. he can show he's in control and at the same time show compassion and what this country is about. this is a heart wrenching situation. i ...

>> you're right, the pull factors. one of the biggest pull factor is when these people are sending the kids and they don't see the kids coming back, they say, hey, it's okay to stay. it's okay to send them. >> the ultimate pull factor -- >> you send them back and you close that pull factor. >> the ultimate pull factor is, i think it's the economy, but it is still the american dream. it's the safety net. if my kids get there -- i can understand is mom, a mom and dad, they make a decision, a really tough one to send their kid to say as long as they could step one toe in america, they might have ...