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Not the biggest. it's kind of like how i felt like the burning movement was overblown, there was this narrative that that was the entire party. the one he had 25 billion -- >> it was completely overblown. >> jessica: he lost his primary by 4 million votes. >> kennedy: he was cornered out of a legitimate run by the dnc, which was actively running against him. it >> jessica: disagree about that. >> poor bernie. >> it made a part of the left-wing base, but it also does is turn off the independents, it turns off proper. what he hasn't asked for is pushing people into unmasking themselves. i think ...

When they are unable to elect a leader, it's because they are unable to agree on a course and it reflects on them at the presidential level. there is more of a debate and it's more understandable they be looking for a vision for the future. it's more a function of pure dysfunction. >> i think it's existential, do you agree? it's whether the party exists. is there anything in common with, let's say donald trump and jeb bush? i can't find it out. one is a low-energy guy who represents the establishment. he is erasing the guy. your thoughts. >> absolute opposition to barack obama and hillary clin...