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Weaponry we win. but weaponry and technology to not win wars. strategy does. at the moment we don't have one. >> what strategy do you think we should have? you've got this incredible bravery and spirit of the ukrainian people. we have billions of dollars of armament still flowing in. should there have been more done? what can the west do to push putin back? >> first ukrainians are heroes. they have been fighting valiantly. we want to really honor the lives of those people by taking as i said earlier, pulled into the international tribunal. yes. but unfortunately we missed the window of opportu...

Nuclear weapon because he's losing something he never should have started in the first place. >> right on. right, right. you were defense secretary. you know what these kinds of back channel talks were like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say, frankly, that will pull putin back? >> i don't think it's as much the united states as it is the rest of the world. this past week or so we've had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia say they do not support anyone conducting warfare in another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major ...

Right. right. you were defense secretary. you know what these types of back channel talks are like. is there anything the u.s. can do or say to pull putin back? >> i don't think as much the united states as the rest of the world. this past week or so, we've had the chinese who have had this new special relationship with russia saying they do not support anyone conducting warfare in the another country using force to extend their boundaries. you had india also a major not partner but at least affiliation over the years with russia to buy much of their equipment from russia and a lot of their oi...

Actually have the intention to do a full military invasion of ukraine. maybe as president biden has alluded to is more interested in the incursion solidifying his position influencing the government that is in charge of kyiv and ukraine for those might be his ultimate goals. so a sign of strength by the united states would really be able to push putin back and force them into negotiations with the united states for position of strength. eric: finally we will hear before 1980 russia put 400,000 troops on the polish border there were spots they're going to invade poland and they did not make a c...

Sacrifice in order to push putin back. and so i think it's a unique moment. it's the biggest audience he's likely to speak to this year. that's always true for a state of the union. and i think he has to use that moment to not just talk about that, but really dig into inflation and the economy. again, that's what's driving his disapproval rating up and his approval rating down. >> and yamiche, domestically, he has, you know, low poll numbers. people not having confidence in his leadership. and he has to show his empathy that he really understands the struggle of people that are going through c...