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Military is. and they have succeeded in uniting the entire world behind them because of their courage and their commitment. we need to keep supporting ukrainians in the biggest possible way and we need to leverage our logistics to do that. >> as i keep saying, ukraine posed absolutely no -- repeat no threat at all to russia and look what putin and the russians are doing right now. killing a lot of wonderful people. general anderson, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. a moment of powerful bipartisan solidarity today. you see on your screen, presidents bill clinton and georg...

>> well, i think that -- that's exactly the right fear to have now. the defense secretary is exactly right. putin anticipated that this would be a week-long thing. that the ukrainians would roll over, that he wouldn't need to fight a war and now he is fighting and losing a war and when i say losing, i mean just not making progress against military objectives. so, he doesn't have the military assets on the ground to, in any meaningful way, control the country. and this is where it gets ugly, wolf. so what does he do? he keeps upping the ante on shared brutality, moving populations as you talked...

>> absolutely. i am incredibly impressed with the ukrainians. what they are doing is they are digging in probably trying to get their artillery in. what they want to do is continue to rain terror upon the people of kyiv. but i know ukrainians are going to resist as they have been doing and they will to do so. the achilles heel of that artillery force is logistics, is fuel and ammo. incredibly intensive requirements for ammunition. and the ukrainians have been doing a great job of stopping their supply lines from delivering that kind of artillery out there so they can -- they can continue to re...

So-called revolution in moscow itself. and that's why he is trying so brutally to snuff out the flame of freedom in ukraine. and that's why it is so vital that he fails. >> congressman heims, you agree? >> well, it is hard to know exactly why putin is ratcheting up the violence, you know, committing additional war crimes. you know, moving populations out of their own country is a clear violation of the laws of armed conflict. you know, but it is true and i think the prime minister gets it right that, at the core of putin's fear is the notion that right on his doorstep, there might be a country...

Labeled a pariah just like putin is label add pariah. labeled a pariah. and frankly, china cares about china. they know that if they do that, it will impact on their economy. it'll impact on -- on everything they've tried to do in order to influence other countries to work with china. i don't think they want to pay that price, so i'm glad that the president did that. and i think we just got to make very clear that if they do that, they are going to pay a price. >> they certainly will. you -- i don't know if you heard about this but ukraine's former president just a few hours ago right here on ...