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Diplomats to russia. and no, we're not going to allow the russians to come here and question mueller. we're not going to do that. if it takes a law, then we can do it in the national defense authorization act along with dozens, it not hundreds of other things that are apparently in process of being discussed between putin and the president. we don't know. >> what does your gut say about why the white house would commit, would publicly say, by way of the secretary of state, that there's an upcoming meeting between putin and trump without details of what happened in helsinki and this meeting wou...

Reacting to this extraordinary demand from rudy giuliani and his legal team, to have that information provided in advance of or as a condition of the interview? >> the question mueller will have now is whether to move forward with the subpoena, does he move forward and subpoena the president to compel him to testify before a grand jury, because the president has not done a voluntary interview. that would be the most significant decision mueller has had to make in regards to the president since he began his investigation over a year ago. and it is one that will set off even more public rancor a...

Justice because if you're saying he cannot, you are saying that the president can do anything within the realm of human being and not be held liable. the whole mind set of having absolute power and we deserve better than that. if he has don nothing wrong, let us see the evidence that suggest that. rob: okay, ryan, if he has done nothing wrong he should testify, but is there cause to be concern if you're the president because if you look at what they got michael flynn on, it's not that big of a charge, has not much to do with russia collusion, they could get him for something simple that he was...

Joining us, carol lee, who cowrote the nbc news story. also joining us, danny is a val owes. carol, what do we know about these meetings are of interest to mueller's team? >> if you take the seychelles on its own, it is of interest to robert mueller because of the possibility that this was a planned meeting designed to try to create some sort of back channel between trump transition officials and the russians. and it was involving officials from the uae. now, what happened there was that eric opiniok prince says h there to meet with uae officials. he just happened to be introduced to a russian...

On here? why is this still going on? >> this is the second or third lawyer he's been negotiating. >> correct. we sat down, we told him here are the questions we want to ask him. we sat down and said, look, we're not looking to indict the president, we're trying to do these things, get it wrapped up by september. why are we still negotiating? here's the subpoena. that's the question mueller will have to make. >> the genuinely sick thing is the number of enablers the president has among people who used to be sober responsible people. yesterday -- >> name names. >> yesterday i saw reporting that ...