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I think the question for him is whether he can translate that into being a candidate. >> right. >> we know from hillary clinton that your poll numbers almost always drop once you leave the nonpolitical world and you enter the political world being a candidate. and he is no longer the guy with the aviators and the ice cream cone that we remember from the obama year, but he is a real person with actual policies running against all these other candidates that are going to have -- him be their target, number one, because he be the front-runner. >> yeah, ruth, there is sort of a stylistic issue and...

Cone that we remember from the obama year, but he is a real person with actual policies running against all these other candidates that are going to have -- him be their target, number one, because he be the front-runner. >> yeah, ruth, there is sort of a stylistic issue and substantive one. he has run twice and didn't do particularly well. and substantively there the s the fact that he said this. i thought it was interesting. he said this to delaware voters, which i want you to respond to about getting criticized by the new left, which i think shows how he's thinking about the race substantiv...