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Aviation department mary shafo, great to have your expertise on this. when you look at how the authorities have been handling this so far, in terms of their interactions with the families what they have and what they have not said as well. do you see this announcement or this comment that it's at the bottom of the ocean, perhaps coming from some sort of data that we haven't yet heard about? >> i certainly hope so. because to deliver that information to the families and i've worked with hundreds of families over the years, they hang on every word. and it would have been the most devastating new...

Black boxes very quickly. they're good at it. so can the french bea, the british can do it the australians can do it. there are many countries that have that capability. the most important thing right now is finding it. you know no beacons, no elt's going off right now apparently. no way to do it except the long search with eyes and with, you know radar coordinates, et cetera. >> this may sound like a basic question but we know it's a yurp even aircraft so are the black boxes the same? is it all essentially the same? does internationally we all have the similar kind of device? >> they're all p...

Astonishing aircraft mystery. so however tragic this case is i would be surprised if we're looking at another mh370. i think that's where the similarity would probably start. mh370 was such a unique situation we're likely to find out what happened much sooner with this one. >> right. because there was things going on in the cockpit of mh370 that no one could make sense of. not the case here from what we know of 8501. and as you just said they do have the last radar coordinates. is that correct? >> yeah. they requested to change course and they have the last known coordinates of the aircraft be...

But at this point with no contact, they need to be searching for any clues and sadly they need to be looking for wreckage at this point because that's going be very important. the most helpful thing that many nations could do is to contribute their radar. if they -- instead of wasting time searching vast amount of seas and listening for pingers what they have to do is pinpoint in all the possible radar coordinates so they can go right to the area. that's going to be important because i heard other commentators talk about the positive a water landing. that's difficult and unlikely, but if there...

Pinger locaters. is that something search and rescue would use at this time? are we talking about purely at this early stage, less than 24 hours after the plane disappeared, are we talking about mainly a visual search? >> they're mainly doing a visual search of course hopefully aided by a tremendous amount of data from nations who will i hope freely share their radar tracking information. that was one of the biggest problems on 370 in that the radar information that the malaysia government had wasn't shared for four days and they wasted four days looking in the wrong part for the plane, so wit...