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You get arrested for a crime in a sanctuary city like san francisco, we're going to call i.c.e. we got to stop doing it. it's just not about enforcement of laws, it's about saving lives neil: yeah, i don't have the time right now to play a part from joe biden on that very issue and what san francisco is considering but we made it sort of like a right for people who have no rights because they are here illegally, but do you think this i.c.e. pressure to dis bandit and now given the phoniness of the vote this week did strike people as a little hypocritical has ended it or does it heat up? >> loo...

All, i think, recognize there r there are reforms necessary at ice. the problem is this policy, not the men and women doing the work. this is a hideous policy. it's an agency like so many others that needs reform and i think redesign. but they also perform important functions, so, i think that's most democrats are. we strongly condemn the family separation policy and trying to do everything we can to get these children reunited with their parents. i think everyone found that to be an appalling policy. and obviously, there are reforms that are necessary, but important functions that ice perform...

It's popular now days to say i.c.e. is bad but there's no better representation of american values right now than i.c.e., and as an equal opportunity employer, we accept all levels of experience and education, from low to very low, and actively welcome those that diagnosed anger issues. neil: what did you think of that that's supposed to be comic taking note of the organization. >> i saw that this morning. it's the most repulsive thing i've seen in my 34 years. i heard you say earlier i'm angry. you're damn right i'm angry and i should be outraged by that comment. let me tell you the joint ter...

Family separations first. a lot of people are framing i.c.e. agents, ripping babies out of mother's arms. i want someone to give me one example where an i.c.e. agent ripped a baby out of a mother's armor mortgage-related one example where i.c.e. agent arrested anybody on a school grounds or a church or a hospital and i hear it every day give me one example and as far as separating families issues, you know this is at the doorstep of congress. i went up on the hill almost a year ago with the head of the ci s asking congress to fix the loopholes one is a settlement agreement we can detain famili...

In favor of shutting down i.c.e. , getting rid of it, didn't do that. how about you? >> the irony, neil, is that a year ago today, nearly every democrat voted for my bill to fully authorize i.c.e. into law for the first time ever, including nancy pelosi, including the democrat who introduced the bill to abolish i.c.e. they brought this fight on when they wanted to abolish i.c.e., so we wanted to call their pluff and say okay, great. then why don't you vote for your bill. then they backed off and said we're going to vote against our bill to abolish i.c.e. and that's precisely the time we put a ...