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>> yes. now i want to talk about the president's skepticism of foreign aid. the presidentci is very skeptic of foreign aid, that is correct? >> he is deeply skeptical of sending u.s. taxpayer dollars into an environment that is corrupt because it's as good as kissing it goodbye. >> is that something new that he believes ors is that something he ran on? >> this is something he has ran on, implemented policies as soon as he became president, ambassador hale, the third ranking state department official told us about the over -- you know, overall review of foreignal apds programs and described it ...

There shouldn't be this back-channel way of getting -- outside of official channels. so i think that's -- when you step back, it was this setup that was never going to end well when you have a situation when he was in this position to offer access to the president directly. >> seems here, ryan, going back to the web, if you will, that we had up on the screen of americans and ukrainians with rudy giuliani in the very middle of all of that, this is only what we know in terms of who rudy giuliani is and the connections that he was making. >> yeah. i mean, it has a swampy look to it and that's som...

Way to go around the system, that's a real problem. if that was a different country, america would see that as an issue. so i think that's -- when you step back, it was this setup that was never going to end well when he was in this position to offer access to the president directly. >> seems here, ryan, going back to the web, if you will, that we had up on the screen of americans and ukrainians with rudy giuliani in the very middle of all of that, this is only what we know in terms of who rudy giuliani is and the connections that he was making. >> yeah. i mean, it has a swampy look to it and ...

Forth, kiersten, not just for this contract, but he's trying to get these guys to do work for him investigating the bidens, and then you tie in the u.s. ambassador. the list goes on and on. the questions just keep mounting. >> i also think -- let's remember back to what donald trump ran on, draining the swamp. this is just very swampy behavior, right. it also shows why it's not a good idea to have somebody out sort of freelancing, doing this shadow diplomacy that really is supposed to be handled by people who are appointed to positions in the u.s. government, who are held to the highest ethics...

>> for future. >> tucker: writes. what percentage f of americans s forgiving unrestricted free health care to illegal immigrants cannot speak i think that's small. my candidate, michael bennet, opposed it. >> tucker: i never even heard of michael bennet, with some respect. i'm just kidding. he's office with the congressman for new mexico. >> i will say this. what you're saying was true about caravans. it's what opponents to john bel edwards and andy bashir ran on. it's what donald trump has had every rally around and in 2018 and this year, that was a losing message. what you're trying to sugge...