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Last month. >> if you want to support the militia, do it. but they will lose. we will win. we're not afraid of the american fleet, nato, france, european -- this is our country. we live here, we die here. we will never, ever surrender to those terrorists. libyan nation is so united now. we are so strong. >> that's him, saif, the so-called rational gadhafi. now he's best known as libya's michael coleone. moammar gadhafi is negotiating. it's his first indication that he knows that he will have to go. ni nic, welcome. what can you tell us about this offer and what it really apts to? . >> this is ...

What have you heard from the opposition? is it outright no, no way. no gadhafi can be part of any government that succeeds moammar? or is it really, if it's a transition national government, we can accept the son for some limited period of time? >> for right now, it seems to be a flat-out no. what goes on behind the scenes, what leverage, what el is being offered in this package, if you will, by this deputy foreign minister who's gone to turkey now, libyans still counting on turkey to give them some support here, what else is in that backage? we' seen the deputy foreign minister go to britain,...

Two or three nations who begin to explore both sides what the possibilities are for some sort of diplomatic solution. >> finally, ben, let me ask you this. you mentioned the former justice minister under moammar gadhafi, now one of the leading voices in the opposition. if he starts speaking up in favor of saif ka daf sfi taking over, won't people in the opposition say wait a minute, whose side are you really on? >> if you say publicly, do you want the butcher's crazy son to take over for him, the answer has to be no. if you say quietly, you want the man who said he will undergo a quiet constit...

Support among the tribes. and here in libya, the tribal society, that's a very important thing, eliot. >> it sounds to me the way you're describing it as though moammar gadhafi feels he's negotiating from a place of strength, not weakness. he seems to be saying i'm strong. what i'll offer you as a way out for you is that my son take over. is this another 42 years of saif gadhafi? or is this just a transitional moment and then to democracy? how are they describing this? >> well, saif himself sees this as a pretty rapid transition to political form. how long he will stay in power is anyone's gue...