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Two or three nations who begin to explore both sides what the possibilities are for some sort of diplomatic solution. >> finally, ben, let me ask you this. you mentioned the former justice minister under moammar gadhafi, now one of the leading voices in the opposition. if he starts speaking up in favor of saif ka daf sfi taking over, won't people in the opposition say wait a minute, whose side are you really on? >> if you say publicly, do you want the butcher's crazy son to take over for him, the answer has to be no. if you say quietly, you want the man who said he will undergo a quiet constit...

last month. >> if you want to support the militia, do it. but they will lose. we will win. we're not afraid of the american fleet, nato, france, european -- this is our country. we live here, we die here. we will never, ever surrender to those terrorists. libyan nation is so united now. we are so strong. >> that's him, saif, the so-called rational gadhafi. now he's best known as libya's michael coleone. moammar gadhafi is negotiating. it's his first indication that he knows that he will have to go. ni nic, welcome. what can you tell us about this offer and what it really apts to? . >...