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one of the big breaking news points just a few minutes ago and the election fraud case within $175 million bond that was put up, letitia james got her plate handed to her. the judge upheld that bond. i want to talk about when trump has a victory, what does it mean for all these other cases? it seems that people are watching and they will poke the bear in one case. does it seem that way or is it that way? >> emily: what the american public how they feel and accept and process and synthesize all of these events and decisions and hearing outcomes. at the end of the day, the jury is prevented from seeing all of that. the reality in terms of how it impacts a potential conviction depends on what the jury itself -- i want to focus for a moment on the defense's statements today. super important, they came out swinging. they said president trump is

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Morning Joe

trump. >> and, arguably, no american in history has so warped everyone else's reality, as well, right? i mean, it's not simply his imaginative universe. he has imposed his imaginative universe, his grievances, his vision of enemies versus himself on everyone. we're living in this warped reality. one thing about the last couple of weeks and about these images that i think -- maybe this isn't a particularly popular thing to say, but this is actually a somewhat reassuring set of images. it suggests that there is something more important than one single man and the will of one single man. that is the rule of law. he is submitting himself to the legal processes of the country,

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CNN This Morning

carolina, which has kept him rally this weekend kate bedingfield the biden at team are being pretty careful to stay out of this obviously this is not the biden justice department prosecuting him in this particular case, state case but the optics are what they are. do you think they're handling it the right way yeah, i do. >> i mean, i think the biden team has been well-served by being hands-off on this, both because it doesn't allow trump to seize on the idea that biden is somehow like persecuting him here. so i think that is good. but he's broadly, i think biden has been well-served by a message that says i respect norm it's important for our government to function the way it's supposed to that in and of itself was a compelling message in the 2020 campaign and was effective. so i think that's good. i also think it reflects the reality and it sort of goes to what matt was saying that either way, don't think this trial is going to be decisive in the campaign. now, i don't think it's good for donald trump to be clear. i don't think it's good when the backdrop of your campaign is a courtroom. i don't think this is helping him and it's certainly i think we see in the

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CNN This Morning

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mike johnson did and then you have republican number speaking out like this. this is we're going to represent a sea change in the way congressional republicans conduct business. i think that runs into a very real reality that donald trump is still the presidential nominee. and it's still setting the tone for their party. and i was talking to a republican who was saying, essentially like, whoa, well, but trump met with johnson and then let didn't say anything thing about preventing ukraine money from getting done and it's like, well, that sort of proves the point i mean, if trump is kind of setting the agenda and this kind of moment of courage, political courage came following a silence from trump and trump could have said, don't move forward, right? are they still being led around by trump? i don't know i've actually i don't say that actually to diminish what's bigger, johnson did because i do think it was politically courageous thing to do and very important request. >> i think couple of things don't minimize the personal animus of how people just don't like each other in the house, like you had here again,

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America Reports

basically, the silence from the college presidents, the mayor, the governor of new york. again, throughout these words, what is happening is jews are not being protected at the university. it is clear. i can't stress it enough. i know what first amendment speech is. you are not seeing free speech. you are seeing people terrorized safely because they are jews. that has to be stopped by the federal and state government. >> john: we saw the exercise of free speech in chicago where people were cheering iran's attack against israel. leading people how to chant "death to america" and "death to israel." he writes sometimes for iranian press tv. here is what he wrote back on april the 13th. "we are at a turning point in history where the zionist entity is met with the various reality of their extension. the morale of the islamic world

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johnson other than wanting to try to do something for his legacy or understand the consequence of the vote is that if you if you don't put your leadership to the test on issues like this you are probably you're going to lose your job anyway, right? and so the reality is that he needs that democratic coalition to help him govern as long as the rules allow one or two republicans to end is leadership. yeah. so speaking of democrats and what they need to do, congressmen gerry connolly he was on cnn over the weekend and he was not so charitable towards johnson, listened to what he said i don't think we owe speaker johnson anything. >> his views on gay rights, gun rights, women's, reproductive rights voting rights our, and, of course, the certification of the election of joe biden are antithetical to everything we hold dear as democratic so he

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America Reports

that plum position to go back and become a state prosecutor. does not seem a little unusual? >> you can only imagine what trump was thinking. this is like playing poker with someone with their cards facing outward for the first person they bring up is the very guy that they got from the biden justice department who is leading this effort. not only reaffirms and supports this narrative that this is all coordinated. it is a mystery to me why they would do that except there is a chilling reality here. it doesn't matter. it's new york. the fact is that most people in most courts would be, like, let's not start with the former biden justice attorney. in new york, it doesn't matter. not much else matters except the name of the defendant on the caption.

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Trump on Trial New York v. Donald Trump

since that day, i think the split is more profound because the policies that president trump governed on for four years, he's walked away from. whether or not it's on foreign policy or on things like tiktok or things like life. and so i think those are essential principles for most conservatives. i think that's what's driving the wedge between the former vice president. as far as some of the other cabinet officials who expressed such concern about his behavior but still say i'm going to vote for him, i think there's a concern about the trajectory of our country and the reality is that i don't think they're alone in that. i think that about 70% of the american people are unhappen with both options. there's a lot of people who i think unfortunately make the decision of the lesser of two evils as opposed to feeling like this is really who i think should be the leader of the free world. >> just want to ask you to explain to people who would not know this. you were right in the west wing.

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The Context

everybody— resolved. and i think that it is in everybody pass interest to clarify that position so that we do not end ”p that position so that we do not end up committing but i would regard as an injustice — up committing but i would regard as an injustice to brave people who have _ an injustice to brave people who have served our country. let's not take _ have served our country. let's not take that — have served our country. let's not take that risk, let's tidy the bill up take that risk, let's tidy the bill up and — take that risk, let's tidy the bill up and make sure we can eliminate that even_ up and make sure we can eliminate that evehas— up and make sure we can eliminate that even as a possibility. the prime minister _ that even as a possibility. t'ta: prime minister says that even as a possibility. tta: prime minister says a 10—12 weeks to get flights of the ground. how will you feel when you see flights taking off to rwanda? tt is you feel when you see flights taking off to rwanda?— off to rwanda? it is a policy i have sopported- — off to rwanda? it is a policy i have sopported- this — off to rwanda? it is a policy i have supported. this is _ off to rwanda? it is a policy i have supported. this is a _ off to rwanda? it is a policy i have supported. this is a challenge - supported. this is a challenge facing — supported. this is a challenge facing the entire western world. 0ther— facing the entire western world. other countries have been looking with interest are trying to do similar— with interest are trying to do similar approaches with third countries, working with them in order— countries, working with them in order to — countries, working with them in order to deal with this challenging issue _ order to deal with this challenging issue i_ order to deal with this challenging issue. i want to see it happen and i want _ issue. i want to see it happen and i want to— issue. i want to see it happen and i want to see — issue. i want to see it happen and i want to see it done in a lawful and sensible _ want to see it done in a lawful and sensible way, which is why i have supported — sensible way, which is why i have supported the other amendment tonight, — supported the other amendment tonight, to make sure that we get the law— tonight, to make sure that we get the law in— tonight, to make sure that we get the law in lockstep with the reality. _ the law in lockstep with the reality, and that is rwanda being a safe country once it has done everything it says it is going to do in that— everything it says it is going to do in that treaty signed last year. we will wait in that treaty signed last year. will wait and in that treaty signed last year. - will wait and see what happens in those about we are expecting in the

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