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Or in closed sessions about whether this is a good idea or not. but there's no doubt that members of congress knew about this program and now some feel free to say they thought it was a good idea or a bad idea. >> right. great to have this debate and great to have you as our reporter. thank you, nbc news' pete williams. joining me, robert gibbs and michael steele. both are msnbc political analysts. your gust reactions, first, gentlemen. i love this about our country. we're going to have this kind of debate as long as they live. >> no, i totally agree, and as pete said, this literally is a de...

We have had these debates, these particular provisions were reauthorized in '05 and '09. it's healthy we're having this debate and discussion. what's most important, in listening to smart people like pete williams to explain what this is and what this isn't, because if you picked up the paper today and you're a verizon customer, your first thought is, my god, they're listening to every one of my phone calls. >> my party line. yeah. >> right. that could -- that might make a lot of people nervous. >> i think that's what people think of wiretapping, they think of the martin luther king thing and ...

First debates on the patriot act in late 2001 after what happened on september 11th. we have had these debates, these particular provisions were reauthorized in '05 and '09. it's healthy we're having this debate and discussion. what's most important, in listening to smart people like pete williams to explain what this is and what this isn't, because if you picked up the paper today and you're a verizon customer, your first thought is, my god, they're listening to every one of my phone calls. >> my party line. yeah. >> right. that could -- that might make a lot of people nervous. >> i think tha...

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