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i had actually read something a little while ago. very brief about that episode. and loved it. anyway people should check it out. >> thank you very much first of all. very kind of you to say. i should credit you actually because it was an interview with a journalist and historian on your podcast which in part got isaac and i really interested in that topic. it is what put it on the table for us to consider as one of our episodes. >> i love that. >> so you were part of the inspiration for doing that whole story. >> great. thank you, rachel. >> thanks, chris. much appreciate it. thanks...

and laura, the kids. >> happy birthday, grandma happy and nice. oh, great. they just got charged with. they went for 100 years approximately. if you add them all up, a fake . a fake 400 years ago. thank you, darling. that's so nice. it's a wonderful birthday. so we're going to make it into the greatest birthday of all. >> well, when hillary then deleted and acid washed, nobody does that because of the expense, but it's pretty conclusive 33,000 emails in defiance of a congressional subpoena already launched. the subpoena was there and she decided to delete acid wash and then smash and...

>> the united states of america, versus donald j trump. >> we have one set of laws in this country. and they apply to everyone. >>, tonight the stunning 49-page indictment. 37 criminal counts, secret national security documents, strewn around his country club, on stage in a ballroom, on the floor in the bathroom. a conspiracy to hide them from the feds, and the lies that he told to cover it up. rachel maddow, lawrence o'donnell, aubry melbourne, joy, read -- are here for msnbc's special coverage of the second indictment of donald trump. good evening from new york. welcome back to our...

love taking your stuff. they let cities burn and businesses close and demand reparations. the california would require it a crime for employees to stop shoplifters. it is a law that enables criminals while handcuffing their victims. i don't mind the handcuffing if there is roleplaying involved, but not at your job, if you're trying to do your job. i learned that at my job with larry kudlow, he went home with the key. hard to put those pants on. as an employee, you have to take it as people ransack your workplace. when does this stop? car dealerships or tiffany's, why is it stuff you ...

the interview goes on. and as you might imagine, while nem and i strongly disagree on pretty much everything, but to the governor's credit, he did sit a down for an entire hour. he answered most of our questions. and by the way, that was something that the president of the united states, joe biden, is not even remotely capable of doin g. so without further ado, here is part one of my interview with california's democratic governor, gavin newsom govern. . >> all right. so i write you this pick on a lot of pick up. aot opicki'm sure. you saw as well. and i'm like, okay, i want to day, ...