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Consumers and workers. >> we have to say joust mnuchin. some people need on focus one west on. this bank out in california the man owned. he is accused of having improperly foreclosed on homeowners, red lining, a lot of bad stuff. we have to look into this more carefully. >> congress did you think during confirmation. he needs on explain how he feels about what happened. donald trump is doing a victory lap right now into tomorrow over a deal that he and the vice president elect had mike pence struck. it is the air conditioning b behemoth. they are going on keep the positions in i understand wh...

>> not many. >> none of this is normal, but this transition, you know -- the romney campaign had perhaps presumptuously been ready. >> they are trying to reach outside, to your point, the very small sphere of trump world and try to see who is willing to come in and people who might not normally be trump, you know, sort of political people. >> and how's that going? >> we'll see. >> it's also a weird thing when you walk into the room. you walk in for one of these interviews. let's say you're jamie dimon. hey, reince, how you doing? you look over there, and there's steve bannon, who might as well...

>> this is the first time i have said it on the air. >> wow. >> i like that title as well. and i like the book as well. that lawsuit is still going on. what do you think of the lawsuit and the approaches should there be different approaches based on neighborhoods as to how students learn? >> i think the science is solid here. the only question is do you pursue it through a lawsuit or work with the school district to accomplish it. bankrupting the school district hurts more children. that's a problem. but identifying that there is a problem and that this is a long-term problem, and that you kno...

>> chicago didn't become one of america's most segregated cities by accident. it was designed that way. >> people in power decided chicago would be segregated. basically era of red lining with maps produced by the federal government. housing loans were, you know, given on the basis of these maps. >> reporter: the red lining, chicago neighborhoods in the 21st century, segregated. the effects of these policies were devastating to african-american communities and can be seen even today the relationship between those communities and the people charged with keeping them safe. >> the truth is in som...

>> the united states pays roughly $1 trillion a year on poverty programs, most of which disproportionately benefit blacks. is that not enough? >> that's not reparations. that's not reparations. jim crow did not disproportionately hurt black people. redlining did not disproportionately hurt black people. it was targeted at black people specifically. so it's not the same thing. at all. we don't have a policy at all. and i say this about affirmative action. i say this about any policy that you want to mention. we do not have a policy in this country that directly targets the victims of white supr...