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They want to make this a european story. and if they talk about slavery, they then have to make it more than a european story. >> but isn't that what we learned in american history? i remember learning that in american history, basically that america was european americans that created most of america and on and on and on. that was something we learned am american history. listen, i went to a school, a catholic school that was predominantly african-american growing up. but still, we didn't learn the true history. hasn't all of that been taught that all of these people are so upset about, adam?...

True history. hasn't all of that been taught that all of these people are so upset about, adam? >> well, i think newt actually told what you his problem is. it's okay to talk about slavery in the context of a redemption ark for white people. if you talk about it as a vehicle for redemption of the ideals of the founders, that's fine. if you talk about slavery from a black perspective with the black people at the center of it, that's defensive and dee legitimatizing. there is an ideological nugget of truth here in that if you look back and you see the country as fundamentally shaped by this inst...