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October and november and we can all say that, but then she got it right and they exceeded the number that was their goal and things are more or less working now. if you give somebody a second chance and they take advantage of it and they do a good job, why do they still have to go? >> i totally agree with beth that there were those calls months ago. you know, that sebelius should step down and obama was very resistant to having someone walk the plank. i think the view -- and this is what i heard from some administration officials, was that by early march, sebelius felt things had taken a turn ...

Disappointed that it didn't go farther, that it kept the private insurance industry alive. now they're saying we've got this place and it seems to be working pretty well. do you think there's still a thirst there nationally for democrats to use the affordable care act as almost like a steppingstone to single payer eventually, or do you think that -- the appetite for health care reform in the democratic side has been satisfied with what's been done? >> i think there's an appetite for single payer. at least for a public option. but i was really thinking about this during the argument around hobb...

Stepped down, obamacare's still controversial. and the american people overwhelmingly don't want it. >> well, you got a smile out of liz for that. i think she chuckled at your analogy. let's talk about sylvia burwell. she was confirmed 96-0 when she was nominated to that post. but it wasn't without some bumps. i want to play a little bit of an interchange between her and gop senator jeff sessions who is now raising concerns he thinks her nomination represents the president wants a political ally in this new post heading up hhs. and he's afraid she won't say no to the president if it's necessar...

>> she is stepping down tomorrow. >> sebelius has been under fire. >> over the disastrous launch of the health care law. >> the not so grand opening. >> horrible rollout. >> full of problems. >> that is her legacy. that will absolutely define her for all time. >> that was the takeaway on kathleen sebelius on thursday. instead of talking about the nearly half a million more people who now have insurance because of health reform, the media was once again focusing on the shaky rollout of implementing the affordable care act. it was all the result of the white house stepping on its own message. pr...

Every movie ever made and you're going to try and sign up for obama care and we'll see which happens first. >> okay. okay. >> so why now? why is kathleen sebelius resigning six months later when the news about the affordable care act is suddenly worth crowing about? is she really getting the chance to go out on a high note or is her very departure reminding everyone of the law's shaky start and why does the white house seem unwilling to celebrate a hard won success? we still have molly ball with the atlantic and joining the table is beth fui, and sarah cliff, senior editor at the new website v...