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It's extraordinary to see these officials talking about sanctions on turkey for the very operation that trump green lighted to erdogan. putin, erdogan and others have sized up trump and realized they can roll right over him and get what they want. >> i bet you've had cause to think back on your eight years of west wing, especially tonight with the "new york times" reporting on john bolton, so shocked was he about what he witnessed and overheard, he told colleagues to approach lawyers. this quote is, i'm not part of whatever drug deal rudy and mulvaney are cooking up. that's the national securi...

House itself released. joining us now charlie savage, washington correspondent "new york times" and mary harris host of a podcast, what next, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney and msnbc legal analyst. let's get to your paper's reporting on. >> this the second whistle-blower. what more potentially can you tell us about the second whistle-blower? >> i can't tell you more about who the person is other than what we've reported but i can talk a little bit about the significance of this. i think that one, clearly, this person is already cooperating insofar as they are talking to the intellig...

The trump administration released for everyone to see. and abby, that raises another point you have reporting on. what of this other secure code word protected computer system where this conversation was transferred though it didn't have anything to do with national security. what more do we know about what else might be in that computer network? >> well, it seems that the white house in response to a fear that the president's conversations were leaking in media reports started moving some of his conversations for reasons that don't seem to be related to national security as jim has reported t...

Incredible read. it's been described as a new generation of "all the president's men," and cantor and touhy are here with me now in new york to talk all about it. jodie and megan, congratulations on the book launch. >> thanks for having us. >> you shared a lot in this book about the reporting process, the experience of gathering this information. i think we should start at the very beginning, jodie. the first day that you thought about looking into harvey weinstein? >> well, it really came out of "the times'" reporting on bill o'reilly. our colleagues, emily steel and michael schmidt reported ...

Guy. and two is they will not look up and bother and see the op-ed is a lie and they did cover those things. they will just assume it's true, it's part of the narrative the president wants to create and the only reason he's not doing well is the media is hiding the truth about his true successes and accomplishments, which is also not true. >> phil, i want to give you the last word that you and your colleagues are the targets of this attack that nick confessore described as a lie. >> yes, nicolle, this is not what we want to do with our reporting. what we try to do every day is find out new inf...