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Bring men into that conversation. that's the only way we're going to solve this. >> just so people can understand, what you're talking about as you say is not necessarily physical abuse and such bit a whole series of other kinds of things that are routine and that men don't even often notice but that women are deeply aware of. was it your experience when talking to women and you've gotten to a point where you've run huge organizations with hundreds of thousands of people, even people like you feel that sense of marginalization. >> every woman has felt it. and it's -- the research backs this up...

Between men and women and found if you put a man and woman in the same position, same title and same dutys, that the man has more respect. he has more influence over his organization and he has more power than a woman in exactly the same position. >> what works to fix this? >> the good news is there is a variety of things that can be done that actually do move the needle. in terms of wages for example, there are in the u.k. legislation was recently put into effect in which companies have to report the gender wage gap. i think there is some movement here in some areas in the united states to do...