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Many of us were hurt, i finally said, why are we doing this? and why aren't there laws in the united states that stop this insanity of having these animals being -- >> larry: we're talking about seaworld. >> i know we are. it's basically all the same thing. the whales are in a place where if you were to -- they were given birth in an ocean for a reason. they need that amount of water. >> larry: we have a note by the way, rick made allegations about seaworld. we have not been able to confirm them as our cnn check crew was not able to confirm them. we'll continue our debate right after these qui...

Killer whales can answer that question. people with emotions that try to put human emotions to these animals say they're pining for the wild. these animals are worried about and all they worry about is if their needs are being met, and their needs are being met at these facilities. one way you can tell that is because they breed and they propagate in captivity. seaworld has had over 20 killer whales born at the seaworld parks and successfully. that is one of the ways in which you can tell that everything is fine with the animals. they have a social group there. tilikum has a social group with ...

With the lions and tigers that are born in the united states to be sold as pets. i formed the preserve through the foundation that i founded. i've had one on one dealings with these animals, and after so many of us were hurt, i finally said, why are we doing this? and why aren't there laws in the united states that stop this insanity of having these animals being -- >> larry: we're talking about seaworld. >> i know we are. it's basically all the same thing. the whales are in a place where if you were to -- they were given birth in an ocean for a reason. they need that amount of water. >> we ha...

He's a p.r. hack for zoos and dolphin abusement parks. what do you expect him to say. >> i'm very proud of it, too. >> larry: you call them abusement parks, rick? you think they're abused? >> i think it's abusive to have a sonic creature, free-ranging sonic creature in a swimming pool, yes, that is abusive. >> larry: we have two other panelists. let me take a break and come back. we'll bring them in. don't go away. the one time of year red lobster creates so many irresistible ways to treat yourself to lobster. like our new wood-grilled lobster and shrimp with parmesan scampi... our succulent l...

Seaworld. you can document it on your show, larry. i go with somebody that has a rick, that won be jane or rick. records speak for themselves. tens of millions much people have gone to seaworld. seaworld has released more whales, dolphins, manatees in the wild. they've spent more money on research than any conservation company in the world. we go with records. records speak for themselves, what these folks have done. 80% of killer whoales are seaworld. we have to teach people about our animal world in the wild. if we don't, we don't have time left to save the beautiful creatures. education is ...