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The speed by which this case sees that finish line, that we get to the point where you're looking at the whites of their eyes, the jurors, to seat them to sit in judgment. we also have a footnote, a pretty big one, dealing with this possibility of removal to federal court for perhaps donald trump and mark meadows. but i do think now that you have the lawyers involved, do we anticipate having issues of attorney/client issues? attorney/client privilege. conversations had between lawyers and their client. how do we operate then outside of the confines of, i was just giving my client legal advice,...

Interference case, but we do have a little bit of a joint defense going on with walt nauta and carlos de oliveira. they're standing strong, shoulder to shoulder, but that's probably in large part because their fees are being paid by donald trump. when they start to drop like flies and they feel the coldness of being out on their own, would she then turn on rudy giuliani, on sidney powell? i want to emphasize once last thing before i stop. it's not just donald trump here. you also have people that have their own individual criminal exposure in this case, so they have to actually be watching the...

Surrender deadline, but first, big picture, what does it mean that there's so many other defendants and if any of them get convicted or pay a penalty, according to the d.a., that will deter future efforts to steal elections in georgia or elsewhere? >> i think, ari, to your point, the sheer number of defendants in this rico indictment that's been brought actually has more impact not at the finish line, not at the sentencing, although that really is the incentive for people to figure out during those come to jesus moments whether or not they want to cooperate. just because you have been charged ...

Defendants. they're not all household names. i want to show you defendant trump, giuliani, eastman, clark, chesebro, powell. these are people, some coconspirators listed by doj and not charged. now, d.a. willis has charged them. then you have folks under scrutiny like mark meadows who was on the raffensperger call, and he's been an interesting one. he's moved around the jan 6 and doj probe but never been charged. or jenna ellis, censured for lying about the election but never charged. now she is. then as we mentioned, a broad conspiracy, the theory the case the d.a. is using, also sweeps in pe...

Work. they'll deal with any of it later if at all. i'm curious what you think as well, professor, about the stakes of this in state court. again, all defendants legally presumed innocent. 19 of them means if you take all the -- forget all the politics and who's running for president, you could have a rico case against 19 people, if you got 15 or 12 of them, that might be considered a success, because some change, some plead out, some go away or what have you. but this is a very big deal, and with the eyes of the nation on the courtroom, and as jay tom mentioned, it only courtroom where we're g...