Court battle led by the aclu over family separations. and now just this morning, border patrol officials say a 16-year-old guatemalan boy died in custody at a border patrol facility in texas. joining me now is the deputy director of the aclu immigrants' rights projects. so, obvious question is, how does the government not know these numbers? how is it just coming to light now? but i'm guessing there's nothing that surprises you about this additional 1,700? >> you know, i think that i was surprised. and i knew we weren't getting the whole story and i knew the government didn't track people, but...