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Through this system for the time being, right? >> and that's resize ll ll lres- that's precisely what i said at the coverages. absent reforms, it looks like what we're doing is turning the he can change market into a high risk pool, but without the benefit of the planning and appropriate construct for a high risk pool. so it looks like the exchanges, about 11 million people who have gotten them, the costs have increased significantly and it looks like they look more like high risk pools. if that's what we want, many people believe we have high risk pools. i have be been one of them. if you con...

Create multiple risk pools, splitting up healthy individuals into one pool with lower premiums and putting those with conditions into a pool with hire rates. an aide to senator rand paul who wants dramatic changes to the bill confirming to cnn the most recent changes don't change his entrenched no vote. >> appeal -- >> reporter: for democrats, an eye on the clock and the policy with lines forming outside the hearing on the bill more than seven hours before it gavelled in monday, and senators making clear it would do whatever it took to kill the bill. >> this trump health care bill is a health ...

It actually does a better job in guaranteeing. it just says you have to cover it. it doesn't say, you know, it limbs how much you can charge and things like that. what happens is because so many people are dropping out of obamacare and you're seeing coverages are going down, the new cbo reports are showing fewer and fewer people. premiums going up and up. this is because you don't have affordable insurance. so someone has to have coverage but there's no guarantee. in our bill the state has to provide that affordable. they can do it through high risk pools or other types of subsidies. >> okay. ...

Meaning everybody's premiums go up and the system gets turned over. that's the problem with graham-cassidy. >> harris: if that's the case, why were democrats against the risk pools? i hear you using almost the same terminology. guy? >> well, i would just respond -- first of all, hospital and er visits went up under obamacare. we were told they'd go down. the opposite was true. it's been another dishonest or inaccurate sales job of obamacare. where do you get the 70 million number? the number on the exchanges is way lower than anyone had anticipated in the obama administration. it's at 10 milli...

The local states, giving them the sufficient flexibility that we can by having a larger pool really control costs. and i want to say also that transparency kind of is woven in this, more devices and more ways that people can really see what procedures, what medical, you know, influences, what they are going to cost, not influences, but medical procedures or any kind of a surgery or anything, know ahead of time what it's going to cost. >> because it does vary as you start comparing things. governor kasich, there's also this idea that you would have cost-sharing subsidies, something that governo...