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Special counsel, rob herr, investigating biden's handling of classified documents. but of course there are some differences between the pence case and the biden case and the trump case. i mean, how do you see these cases comparatively? i think we can take the pence one out of the question. there are some similarities, but for the most part, the trump one is a completely different animal. >> exactly. pence and biden seem to have mishandled documents, meaning they were in possession of classified documents they shouldn't have been in possession of. they both acknowledged that and returned the do...

Dirty laundry publicly right away. but he needs to step up. somebody at doj needs to have a conscience and recognize, including the leak campaign. by the way, you're seeing any leaks on rob herr's investigation in delaware? what a contrast that we're having to fight off the leaks and there ain't a word out of delaware. >> you can take up the leaks with doj. we're going the report what we know. we're going do ask you what we know. >> i may or may not answer. that's the reality of it. >> i think the audience heard that loud and clear tonight. jim trusty, thank you very much. >> thank you. and ...

Approach this investigation? >> he's going to approach it very diligently. rob was the u.s. attorney in maryland. he sat in the seat i succeeded him into, within the deputy attorney general's office with regard to special counsel mueller's investigation. he's just a very thoughtful prosecutor with extreme integrity. what he's going to do, frankly, is follow a similar path. again, there was some investigation that was conducted before rob was named special counsel here. he will evaluate that and then make decisions as to, again, what stones have not yet been unturned, where he thinks avenues of...

Surpassed. most likely what will happen is this will again be put before a judge who will evaluate the different arguments on both sides of the coin and come up with a solution as to within the various authorities that the individual is acting, either as senate of the president or as vice president giving counsel to the president where the prosecutors could actually ask questions within the parameters of the various privileges that might apply. >> the trump administration just continues to yield fascinating and unprecedented constitutional questions. but i want to pivot to another special coun...

Center that issue. with respect to rob herr, the dye is cast. that is already in place. it just cannot be that we're going to have a slew of special counsels. it just way too distracting the body politic and this sort of policy issues we should be worried about. >> joyce, i think you no he this by now, one thing i keep my eye on is the right-wing is being too kind. we'll call it spin. the spin that right has put on and the crumb or the bread crumb they keep dropping is how does a lawyer do the search of biden's office or home? well in, the case of pence, a lawyer is doing the search of pence's...