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Months now, the mercers, i think, resented being tied to everything that steve bannon was doing and being implicated in all of his schemes and ideas. >> okay, so, jonathan, the thing about bannon is a lot of these people are trying to impute machiavellian motives, doing this with wolff, there may be a counternarrative that she a hebellous big mouth. he lost his job at the white house, because he gave an interview to robert cutner of the american prospect which he claimed we were going to start a trade war with china. this i think is a follow on to that. the bannon of the man pulling the string...

Networks. political contributor michael nulter, the former democratic mayor of philadelphia. matt lewis, senior columnist for "the daily beast." john fred ricks, former co-chair for the trump campaign in virginia and robert cutner, the co-founder and co-editor of the american prospect magazine and he joins us via skype. it's going to be a fascinating conversation and fascinating hour ahead. april, going through those cards and the week, i mean what a week it has been. it has been exhausting, a lot has transpired. you're at the white house every day. bannon is out, but there's deep wounds that ...

Policy. but the idea of trump going into a meeting in the national security council and saying hey, guess what, i've got bob kuttner supporting me on china is delusional. and what was just bizarre about this conversation was here's a guy, if you believe "the new york times" story, who already had tendered his resignation under pressure two weeks ago and he's living in kind of a fantasyland where he thinks he's still making policy and inviting me to the white house after labor day. so you wonder what planet these people are living on. i guess the question is whether trump at this crossroads is ...

Disaffect disaffected middle class voters in wisconsin and ohio and and so he did help president trump become president trump an clear tri -- clearly there were some problems. he's been fighting over foreign policy. agree with steve bannon. i think we need a more restrained foreign policy, reports indicate that mcmaster is pushing for a surge in afghanistan, wants a stronger stance versus the syrian government and believes that possibly being more aggressive toward north korea is a good idea. and i think people who are more restrained, more libertarian like they don't think that is a good idea...

Jackson from bridge water, new jersey. and jonathan swan, a national political reporter at axios and robert cutner with the american prospect. of course they published an explosive interview with bannon earlier this week. thank you for being here. i think everybody right now is trying to interpret the nature of this departure. we know he's back. the there are some reports that it is war now between bannon and this white house. you have bannon saying it is war for trump. but against the establishment, this war he's talking about, what will it look like sf. >> he wants to fight. he wants a battl...