policy. but the idea of trump going into a meeting in the national security council and saying hey, guess what, i've got bob kuttner supporting me on china is delusional. and what was just bizarre about this conversation was here's a guy, if you believe "the new york times" story, who already had tendered his resignation under pressure two weeks ago and he's living in kind of a fantasyland where he thinks he's still making policy and inviting me to the white house after labor day. so you wonder what planet these people are living on. i guess the question is whether trump at this crossroads is going to distance himself from the really creepy neo-nazi far right or whether he's going to double down on it, as he did tuesday, as he may do in this rally at phoenix, if it happens, if he pardons joe arpaio. and he needs bannon in a weird way if he sticks to this course because bannon was the architect of it. >> mayor nutter, i want to put