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What the intention was there and whether thats an offense. And one question that might be at the heart of all of this why do you believe you were fired . I guess i dont know for sure. I believe i think the president fired me because of the russia investigation, something about the way i was conducting it the president felt created pressure on him he wanted to relieve. I didnt know that at the time, but i watched his interview. Ive read the press accounts of his conversations so i takes him at his word there. Its my judgment that i was fired because of the russia investigation. I was fired in s...

President. we did not want to work with mr. giuliani. simply put, we were playing the hand we were dealt. mr. giuliani's requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a white house visit for president zelenski. everyone was in the loop. it was no secret. >> the attorney adds that giuliani's conversations with trump would not be fully protected either. with me now former nsa counsel robert deets. let me get both of your perspectives on this. robert, let me talk to you. do you think this is a good idea to subpoena rudy giuliani to testify in any impeachment process? >> yes, do. i think it's a great...

>> robert, where do you see this going over the next couple of days? are we going to get bogged down into some politics? are we going to see this play out in the courts with the don mcgahns before it even gets tie trial phase in the senate? >> gee, do you think it could actually become political? yeah, i think it is. but at this stage, what's happening is posturing. remember, mitch mcconnell has not put out any sort of draft rules of how he thinks this ought to play out. until we get that, we're not going to get a very clear picture of how things could happen. if i could just add a gloss to wh...

Interest of the president and the country for him to be allowed to do his work. that's what i think he's going to do. >> if he fired bob mueller, i think he would see a tremendous backlash response from both democrats but also house republicans. >> robert deets is a former counselor to the cia and general counsel at the nsa. clint watts is a former special fbi agent. thanks to both you have for being here. robert, let me start with you. i want to play the recording, part of donald trump's conversation that he had with the new york times on potential conflicts that bob mueller has that might be...

Reputation. it was so good that's why president obama asked him to stay past his ten-year term. this is ridiculous. president trump probably offered an invitation to director mueller to come and talk to him about maybe taking over as the fbi director. how could he claim that's a conflict if he probably asked mueller to come to the white house. he was probably trying to serve the president and then -- >> you can't imagine that mueller invited himself to the white house? >> no. he's already been the fbi director for more than a ten-year term. he served under two presidents. he's considered a non...