Hello and welcome to cross talk where all things are considered im Peter Lavelle the primary purpose of history is to understand the past as a guide to understanding the present and future history should not be goodness because a lot of history is painful and so how should we find the right balance is statue side the right hands. Across talking statue side im joined by my guest cleo both dari in new york she is founder of the company there have been salmon which teaches social Emotional Learning in schools as well as diversity and inclusion in companies and government. Agencies and in las vegas because i love pirates he is an assistant professor of africanamerican and African Diaspora studies at the university of nevada las vegas all right rostock rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want right now is appreciate greatly let me go to you in new york how does taking down statues and we can talk about which ones changed the condition of people of color in the United Stat