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Happen in the mccabe case and it's exactly what will happen with bob mueller's continued investigation of the russia matter. i just really hope that we don't fall for donald trump's trap that we don't start saying you know what? he's right actually. doj and all of this is just a bunch of political hogwash because if that happens, then we're in real trouble. >> barbara boxer and jake sullivan, illuminating. thank you for being with me. next the president now floating a pardon for a man found guilty of some of the crimes that could be facing some of his closest inner circle. the unmistakable s...

Coming out of the justice department as pertains to these kinds of investigations? >> well, this is exactly the kind of trap that trump is trying to catch the entire country in. because he's trying to so discredit the basic institutions of our democracy, whether it be the fbi or the department of justice or the press for that matter. and he wants us to question whether any of this is real. so that if it ever lands at his door, he can say this is all just political. so i believe that at the end of the day, that we currently have a department of justice. at the moment. we'll see how long this la...

Came in. what robert mueller is interested is where it went. how it flowed out of this llc. and whether the big kahuna, mr. trump, had any portion of that. so to your question, again, that's what he's looking for. because as you say, during this time when michael cohen is getting all this money. he's not acting like a rich dude, he's taking a mortgage out. this money is going somewhere, right? >> taking like $720,000 mortgage out. to remind viewers of who is giving him money. novartis, $1.2 million. say it's focused on u.s. health care. column business nova, $500,000 for potential investments ...

>> among michael avenatti's claims this week, that were eyebrow-raising were transfers made to michael cohen's company. there is of course a russian connection. columbus nova, an investment firm that paid $500,000 to cohen's shell company, essential consultants llc has close ties to a russian oligarch, viktor vekselberg. we should note that vekselberg has not been indicted. columbus nova said it paid cohen to consult on potential sources of capital. and that the payments had nothing to do with vekselberg. according to the "new york times", abc news citing sources with direct knowledge reports ...

It. but the american public deserves to know as well. the judge said look this indictment is imminent. it's lukely and frankly, alex, i tend to degree, i think in less than 90 days michael cohen will be indicted by the southern district of new york. that's the southern district of new york. that's not mueller. there's a separate mueller investigation that's going on that does include michael cohen. so michael cohen is looking at least a few criminal fronts in terms of having exposure. >> michael avenatti has a point i want to play that he made here. but the president was calling in to fox news...