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He has affected. >> and now it's a little late. >> i don't know that it's late. i don't want to underestimate how much water has gone under the bridge and how difficult the task is now, but we're just coming into the period where people are going to be really paying attention to this for the purposes of the election. >> let's move on to an eyebrow raiser. karl rove is going back to work in a new role for a day. rove, who was as everyone now knows, george w. bush's go-to guy for politics will be the fill-in host for rush limbaugh's radio show next monday. robert, is this a new career for karl r...

Those plants, if i were helping them, i might put him together with some of the workers and have them talk about the difference that his administration has made, but the only way they are going to get any traction, if they get any in time, is just to keep with it. >> robert, let me ask you, because i hear on the trail a lot republicans and independents using against the president. they say he -- it was a government takeover. >> not only was it a government takeover, as we all know but here's the problem, there are a lot of folks out there that simply cannot afford the cars that ford and gm are...

With me is robert trainham, former governor of pennsylvania and chair of the dna, ed rendell, also nbc news political analyst and "washington post" media columnist margaret sullivan with us as well. ed rendell, let me ask you about the path forward for the consumer financial protection bureau, something i know you were following closely through its incarnation. senator elizabeth warren intimately involved from its creation, she fighting for what richard cordray picking his successor himself. how do you see the path forward going here? >> well, first of all, i think this is going to wind up in ...

Robert, millions of americans don't care what their health care is called. obamacare, trump care. they just want affordable health care. by the way, obamacare is not in a complete death spiral, but president obama is currently a private citizen. president trump owns health care. does he not see that? >> no. and the reason why he doesn't see it, the president is not an ideological person. it is us versus them, me versus obama. to go back to both your points which are relevant, this is now an entitlement i've never seen. as i understand it, there's never been an entitlement that is rolled back. ...

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