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President of the united states. >> ron, same question to you. this is a president who has been called a counterpuncher. you punch him, he punches back harder is what the critics say. but in this case, the punches don't seem to be landing when it comes to the judicial branch. >> well, areva is totally wrong on everything. first of all, president obama criticized the supreme court in the citizens united case. nobody complained about that. the threat or fear of somebody not following the rule of law, i don't hear people complaining about these sanctuary cities who are disregarding federal law. i ...

Martin live with us in los angeles. and former assistant chief deputy at the u.s. justice department, ron baum ya. it's going to have you both with us this hour. let's start with the first logical question here, the question that many people will be asking given this ruling. what will the trump administration do next given what happened? we saw the tweet that we showed just a few minutes ago. see you in court. and his adviser, kellyanne conway, had this to say just shortly after the ruling came down. let's listen to it, and we can talk about it here on the other side. >> does he see this as a ...

Talk about winning. in this case, he certainly lost in court. ron, to you. you used to work at the justice department. where do you think the administration came up short in this case? what should be their line of attack moving forward if they want to win? >> well, a couple things. first of all, their only line of attacks -- well, there's two possible lines of attack. one is to go to an en banc hearing, which means a bigger panel of the ninth circuit court of appeal would hear the case, but that's a loser because three of those ten judges who would hear the case on an en banc panel are the thr...

Recommend, and that's just withdraw your executive order as it's now written and rewrite it to address some of the concerns that were raised by the district court and make it more bulletproof for future review. >> so ron laying out a couple of scenarios there. areva, leaning on your expertise here, what are the risks should the trump administration take this to the supreme court? >> well, we know that the supreme court is short one justice, so we're talking about an eight-member court at this time, four of whom are likely to vote in favor of trump because of their backgrounds, but four who are...