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n issues, including migrant plights and newsom's pathetic threat to throw them in jail. desantis thinks it's time for.s gaviit'sn to up and get into the race for the white house. >> know what? >> stop pussyfooting around. are you going to.ow are you going to throw your hat in the ring. and challenge, joe? are you going to get in and do it? ard do e you just going to sit on the sidelines and chirp? so why don't you throw your hat in the rin g and then we'll go ahead and talk about what's happening? >> but i guess gavin likes being on the sidelines. >> herthe e he is repeatedly rug out...

All right. you know, it's like the undercard so they're going to edit out that first part. yeah, they are, because this is a talk show. you got gavin newsom. newsom versus rod, the dissenter, desantis. but it's really about the top card, , which is joe versus the volcano, although ron isve o least being honest about it. he's thrown his hair in the ring. but gavi it. he threwn is that he's nott ga running for president when we know hvin e is.dent, >> you know, he's all glory. no, all we like to say.he bu, not i think that gavin is effective in that he's managing to run for president every frida...

>> i'm asking. no, and i'm not answering. buweringt doesn't mean newsom wouldn't relish the chance to debate his foe.o de >> you would do a two hour debate with ron to say, make it three three hour debate. noti, i mean, anybody with one o day notice with no notes, i look forward to that. >>tes. okay. >> martha, what is f t the motivation for the our-hour debate betweende, gavin newsomao and ron desantis? you know, this is very interesting. i love how he i always listen to politicians words very closely. righ closelyt so it's not my am. it's not the way i'm leaning right no that >> in other wor...