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The last cycle things would have turned out easily. we forget what a terrible campaigner he was. made a lot of really rookie errors, made a lot of dumb gaffs. i'm not convinced he would have beaten president trump. he's a nice man, genuine man. i like him on a personal level. >> it would have been fun. >> a very different race. you know, biden obviously comports himself differently than hillary clinton during debates. he knows how to fight when he has to. he can turn on the likability and charm that she doesn't have and a billion dollars can't buy. >> he's saying right now he would have been a...

And they're sounding dejected maybe. when's your read on massachusetts? >> well, exactly. i think if you asked democrats a year ago, they would say it would have been over by labor day. they underestimated scott brown's appeal to massachusetts voters and underestimated elizabeth warren's, you know, performance as a first-time candidate. she has made some rookie errors. think eve been hard to fix. and then there have been a lot of questions about the tone of her ads. so i think this is a very competitive race. in fact, in the last few polls scott brown is running ahead. there is a path to victo...