Theres a question of what point does amending a testimony become straightup lying or perjuring one self . One said that the testimony of other witnesses helped to refresh their memories and see in new light their own experiences and will be instructive to see what volcker has to say for himself on the two key questions, quid pro quo, bribery plot, and what he was doing with Rudy Giuliani. His testimony was that he Rudy Giuliani as being a nuance and more helpful to bring Rudy Giuliani in and help him understand that he was promulgating the debunked conspiracy scenarios instead of freelance out there in ukraine. Jeff bennett on capitol hill for us, thank you very much. Joining us is democrat congressman jim himes from connecticut. Congressman, your questioning of
control knell vind man was one of the more emotional moments this morning. I wonder if you could look back to that for us this morning. Yeah. Well, it was a pretty tough moment for me. We had gotten word and sort of saw on soci
ivanovich? of colonel vindman? what is involved? why do you need to trash the reputations of people who have so well served this country? congressman himes, it s so stark watching the way your committee fractured not just in terms of the approach with the witness but the subject matter each side is addressing with the witnesses. what does it say to you that from devin nunez, asking about the dnc server, lines of questioning of the whistle-blower s identity, how is it in the room? it is uncomfortable. it is particularly uncomfortable because i know that they re good
assist to putin along the way and nobody he loves more than putin. are you surprised that there hasn t been more of a focus on there s no coincidence once again we are mired in another scandal that has a beneficiary vladimir putin? you know, putin is all through this. right. yes, giuliani announced he was going to the ukraine and that he was going after the 2016 elections and but putin already signaled this, that the ukraine had been trying to help hillary clinton because putin, of course, his focus is bringing down this rebellion in the ukraine. they removed his guy, the united states helped remove his guy. and so, putin is definitely in this mix and, you know, nancy pelosi was not wrong saying all roads lead to putin. that famous photo in the roosevelt room wagging her finger at the president.
and a central way the story is far more unpredictable for the trump white house than the mueller investigation. this is so fast moving. this is so unpredictable in terms of how the public will receive witnesses like colonel vindman, spontaneous applause for the patriotism and courage they display. you can t game up with a presidential tweet. if you look at the mueller investigation, it occurred there was an incredible discipline on that team. it went on for months and months and months and months and there were no leaks, no one really knew what was going on so everyone was free to color outside the lines with whatever they wanted to put on it. and then when he testified there was a sense of the air going out of the room in that he was so